Ep. 7 The Path Forward for UAP Science and Research

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The topic of UAP/UFOs and non-human intelligences (NHI) is discussed, with the possibility of it being the

Preview 00:00

  • The topic of UAP/UFOs and non-human intelligences (NHI) is discussed, with the possibility of it being the greatest discovery in human history 00:28
  • The existence of execution clauses in NDAs is mentioned, which could potentially be used to silence individuals who have information about UAP/UFOs 00:03

Welcome to Emergent with Reed Summers 00:37

  • The host, Reed Summers, introduces the show and its topic of UAP/UFOs and NHI 00:37
  • The show aims to explore the emerging new ideas, trends, and unfolding events that are reshaping our understanding of humanity and the human experience 03:23

Viewer Engagement and Questions 02:21

  • Viewers are encouraged to post their questions in the chat and engage with the topic 02:30
  • The host asks viewers if they think UAPs represent a technology beyond anything humanity has created 02:54

Introducing Rich Hoffman 05:07

  • Rich Hoffman is introduced as a guest on the show, with a background in organizational communication and a lifelong interest in UFO phenomena 05:07
  • He is the co-founder of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies (SCU) and has held multiple leadership roles in the field 06:04

Introducing Matthew Szydagis 06:48

  • Matthew Szydagis is introduced as a guest on the show, with a background in physics and experimental particle astrophysics 06:48
  • He is a professor at the University at Albany and has worked on various experiments, including the LUX-ZEPLIN experiment 07:05

Personal Experiences with UAP 09:05

  • Rich’s interest in UAP began at 13 years old when he had to do a book report on the subject for his eighth-grade science class 09:29.
  • Rich’s “aha moment” came when he investigated a UFO sighting in Carolton, Ohio, in the early 1970s, where he found a 70-foot diameter circular area with no wheat and a depression in the center 10:10.

Defining UAP and IAP 14:32

  • UAP stands for Unidentified Aerospace Phenomena, which encompasses a broader range of aerial phenomena, including those that may not be strictly unidentified flying objects. 14:33
  • The term UAP has evolved over time, previously being referred to as flying saucers, UFOs, and other names, with the goal of reducing stigma and increasing accuracy. 15:07
  • The term “anomalous” is now often used to describe these phenomena, as it acknowledges that they may not be limited to aerial or water-based events. 16:49

Patterns and Morphologies of UAP 20:20

  • There are no consistent patterns or morphologies that define UAP, as they can take many forms, including spherical objects, lights, or other unidentifiable phenomena. 20:31
  • The term “craft” is often used to describe UAP, but this can be misleading, as it implies a level of intelligence or control that may not be present. 20:56
  • Identification of UAP is not binary, and it is possible that some UAP may be natural phenomena or unrelated to any kind of intelligence. 21:08

Observables of UAP 24:18

  • There are several observables that may be used to identify or differentiate UAP from more prosaic phenomena, including anti-gravity lift, sudden and instantaneous acceleration, and low observability or cloaking. 24:34
  • However, these observables may imply the presence of a craft or vehicle, which may not be the case for all UAP. 25:45
  • The list of observables is not exhaustive, and there may be many other characteristics that could be used to describe UAP. 25:22

Research Methodologies in UAP Studies 26:23

  • Research approaches involve defining a potential characteristic or aspect of UAP phenomena to study, such as propulsion effects or atmospheric interactions 26:55.
  • Cases are selected based on descriptions of specific characteristics, and a team of scientists and researchers is formed to develop a methodology 27:25.
  • A criterion is established to narrow down the population of cases, focusing on those with investigations, studies, or verifications 27:47.

Approaches to UAP Research 30:28

  • Methodologies involve using historical cases and witness testimony to justify sensor choices, without necessarily believing or dismissing the stories 32:29.
  • The scientific method is not limited to hypothesis-driven approaches, but can also involve collecting data and looking for patterns without a preconceived idea 34:43.
  • Different types of reasoning, including deductive, inductive, and abductive, can be used in scientific discovery 35:20.

Multisensor Data and UAP Science 35:44

  • Multisensor data is considered the “Holy Grail” of UAP research, aiming to capture events on multiple sensors, including eyewitness testimony, in a non-fungible and cross-corroborated manner 35:55.
  • Correlating different types of sensors, such as magnetic field detectors, ionizing radiation detectors, and cameras, is a key area of excitement in UAP research 36:24.
  • Cross-correlation of anomalies across multiple sensors can help identify statistical outliers and anomalous events 37:02.

Technological Advances and Challenges 37:27

  • Advances in technology have significantly improved the ability to study and research UAP/UFOs, with tools such as iPhones, cameras, and satellite imaging 38:10.
  • The cost of technology has decreased, making it more accessible to researchers and the general public 38:41.
  • The use of machine learning and AI tools has improved the ability to analyze data, but also raises concerns about the potential for AI-generated fakes 41:47.

The Limitations of Technology in Detecting UAP/UFOs 42:50

  • Despite advances in technology, it is still challenging to detect and verify UAP/UFO sightings, and the ability to create fake evidence is also improving 42:54.
  • The concept of “Smoking Gun” evidence is unlikely to be achieved, as even the best evidence can be disputed by skeptics 44:50.
  • A more effective approach is to collect evidence across different sensors and platforms, rather than relying on a single piece of evidence 45:54.

The Science Behind UAP/UFO Propulsion 47:15

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The Science Behind UAP Propulsion 47:18

  • The propulsion mechanisms of UAPs are not well understood, and scientists are still speculating about the possibilities, including anti-gravity bubbles and warp bubbles 47:19.
  • The elusive nature of UAPs makes it difficult to gather data and make observations, but some effects, such as damage to plant life, have been reported in certain cases 48:11.
  • The study of UAPs has been hindered in the past due to a lack of scientific engagement, but recent developments have encouraged more scientists to explore the phenomenon 51:22.
  • The concept of new physics is not necessarily required to explain UAP propulsion, and it’s more likely that new engineering or technology is involved 53:47.
  • The possibility of extraterrestrial or non-human intelligence is considered more plausible than the need for new laws of physics 54:30.
  • The study of UAPs requires a distinction between new physics and new engineering, and scientists should be cautious when speculating about the underlying mechanisms 53:52.

The Long Road to Rocketry 54:53

  • Developing rocket technology took centuries despite having the necessary physics knowledge from Newton, similar to the development of airplanes 54:55
  • The delay was due to engineering challenges, not a lack of understanding of the laws of physics 55:12
  • There is still much to be discovered in physics, but we should focus on applying existing knowledge before assuming new physics is needed 55:36

Distinguishing New Physics from New Engineering 56:18

  • It’s essential to distinguish between new physics and new engineering when considering advanced technologies like warp drives and wormholes 56:18
  • These concepts are based on existing math and physics, but require new engineering solutions to be developed 56:39
  • New physics may be needed to explain phenomena like dark matter and dark energy, but we should first explore new engineering possibilities 57:01

Conservation Laws and UFOs 57:18

  • UFO sightings should not be used to abandon established conservation laws like momentum and energy 57:19
  • Alternative explanations, such as invisible propellants, should be considered before assuming new physics is at play 57:28
  • Conservation laws have been consistently supported by scientific discoveries, including the discovery of neutrinos 58:16

UAP Studies and Public Perception 58:28

  • The study of UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) should be approached with a critical perspective, considering both new engineering and new physics possibilities 58:29
  • Public perception of UAPs often involves abandoning first principles and assuming non-human intelligence is at play 58:42
  • It’s essential to apply Occam’s Razor and consider new engineering explanations before assuming new physics or non-human intelligence 57:12

The Drone Phenomenon 59:25

  • Many reported UFO sightings can be explained by the increasing popularity of drones, which can be flown at night and exhibit unusual behavior 01:00:12
  • Drones can be mistaken for UFOs due to their ability to hover and move quickly, especially when observed at close proximity 01:01:50
  • The FAA’s regulations on drone usage, including remote ID requirements, are often not followed, contributing to the confusion 01:01:16

Misidentifications and Public Ignorance 01:02:14

  • Many people misidentify natural phenomena or man-made objects as UFOs due to a lack of knowledge about astronomy and aviation 01:02:15.
  • The media plays a significant role in fueling public interest and misinformation about UFO sightings 01:03:15.
  • Politicians often make uninformed statements about UFO sightings, adding to the confusion 01:03:41.

Estimating Size and Distance 01:05:50

  • Human estimations of size and distance are often grossly inaccurate, especially when there is no reference point 01:06:01.
  • It is mathematically impossible to determine the size and distance of an object without a second angle or reference point 01:07:40.
  • Eyewitness testimony is unreliable for estimating size and distance due to the lack of reference points 01:08:47.

The New Jersey Flap 01:09:23

  • The New Jersey UFO flap likely started with a legitimate UAP sighting, but was exaggerated by mass hysteria and misidentification of ordinary aircraft 01:09:26.
  • The internet and social media can quickly amplify misinformation and fuel UFO hysteria 01:09:41.

Decoding UFO Sightings 01:10:12

  • To effectively decode UFO sightings, funding is needed for organizations and scientists to deploy cameras, sensors, and conduct research 01:10:42.
  • A more transparent and scientific approach is necessary to separate legitimate UAP sightings from misidentifications and misinformation 01:10:40.

The Role of Education and Regulation 01:11:08

  • Education on UAP/UFO identification and regulations is lacking, leading to misidentification and ignorance about the phenomenon 01:11:14
  • Many people are unaware of the differences between drones, aircraft, and helicopters, and the importance of size and distance in identification 01:12:56
  • The lack of education and regulation has led to an increase in reports of UAP/UFO sightings, which can be attributed to misidentification and ignorance 01:13:21

The Drone Situation 01:14:39

  • The phenomenon likely started with a legitimate sighting of something anomalous, but quickly spiraled out of control due to misidentification and mass hysteria 01:14:56
  • The use of words and language matters, and the media’s reporting of UAP/UFO sightings can contribute to the problem 01:15:02
  • The military is working to counter UAP/UFO sightings with drone-busting technology, but this raises concerns about the potential for misidentification and harm to legitimate drone operators 01:16:00

The Path Forward for UAP Research 01:17:17

  • The path forward for UAP research involves getting rid of “legacy gatekeeper” people who have been hiding the truth and replacing them with people like David Grush and Carl Nell who can drive disclosure forward 01:17:45.
  • The government needs to engage academia and the global community to help build plans and strategies for UAP research 01:20:50.
  • Transparency issues need to be fixed, and the government needs to stop over-classifying information related to UAPs 01:21:22.
  • A focus on UAP research at the executive level, tied to the president, is necessary to drive progress 01:20:30.
  • A small percentage of the defense department’s budget, such as 0.001% or 0.01%, could be allocated to UAP research to get answers quickly 01:23:53.
  • The right people in the right positions, such as those who want to push for disclosure, are key to making progress in UAP research 01:24:58.
  • The use of executive orders, such as Schedule F, could be used to remove people who have been lying about UAPs and replace them with those who want to push for disclosure 01:25:40.

Catastrophic Disclosure and Technological Trends 01:27:35

  • A paper was written to estimate the probability of catastrophic disclosure of UAP/UFOs at a citizen level due to technological trends, specifically the proliferation of camera phones 01:27:46.
  • The author used statistics on smartphone ownership and whistleblower claims to estimate that if nonhuman craft exist and crash, evidence will be captured on a smartphone by the 2030s or 2040s 01:29:59.
  • The author believes that having multiple witnesses or footage from different angles would make it harder for AI to fake evidence, making it more credible 01:30:35.

Defining Success in UAP Disclosure 01:37:43

  • The concept of success in UAP disclosure is subjective and can be defined differently by various people, including scientists, politicians, and the general public 01:37:53.
  • One possible definition of success is the government allowing funding for UFO research, which would be a significant step forward 01:40:07.
  • Another definition of success could be the majority of scientists and academia accepting the reality of UAPs, leading to scientific progress 01:43:41.

The Challenge of Disclosure 01:38:42

  • The challenge of disclosure lies in convincing the general public, which is increasingly divided and entrenched in their beliefs, making it difficult to achieve a unified acceptance of UAP reality 01:43:34.
  • The internet and social media have created echo chambers that reinforce existing beliefs, making it harder for people to engage with opposing ideas 01:44:12.
  • The best that can be achieved now is to convince the majority of scientists and academia, which would allow for scientific progress, but it may be too late to convince the general public 01:43:43.

The Potential of Citizen Data Collection 01:45:18

  • Citizen data collection, combined with AI and a willing political apparatus, could potentially break through the secrecy surrounding UAP/UFOs 01:45:29
  • The hope is that someone with courage and moral fortitude will come forward with evidence, such as a piece of a flying saucer, to prove the existence of extraterrestrial life 01:46:15
  • The problem is that even if evidence is presented, it may not be published or believed due to gatekeepers in science and academia 01:47:22

The Role of Non-Human Sources in Disclosure 01:48:07

  • The potential for catastrophic disclosure coming from a non-human source, such as an entity behind the UAP/UFOs, is a possibility 01:48:11
  • The most significant breakthrough in understanding the phenomena has been the acceptance by the public that there might be something to it, following the 2017 announcements and publications in mainstream media 01:50:01
  • Multiple papers have been published, creating cracks in the stigma and taboo surrounding UAP/UFO research, but no single “smoking gun” evidence has been found 01:51:03

The Debate on Psi Phenomena and UFOs 01:52:10

  • The psychological impacts of unidentified and contact phenomena have been acknowledged, but there is still much to be learned from these experiences 01:52:11.
  • Despite studying thousands of cases, there is no evidence of psi phenomena in UFO investigations 01:52:50.
  • Many people have transversal experiences after UFO sightings, but these are not typically reported or studied 01:53:41.
  • Near-death experiences (NDEs) can have a profound impact on individuals, leading to increased spirituality or connection to things that may be considered psi phenomena 01:54:10.
  • Current UFO research does not typically ask the right questions to investigate psi phenomena 01:54:45.

Investigating Psi Phenomena 01:54:53

  • Some organizations are collecting data on the experience side of UFO encounters, but more research is needed 01:54:55.
  • Investigating psi phenomena is challenging due to the lack of a well-disciplined field of research and the need for expertise in psychology and medicine 01:55:25.
  • Volunteers are starting to study cases and develop an understanding of psi phenomena, but more focus is needed in this area 01:55:57.

The Importance of Specialization in Research 01:56:52

  • Research on UFOs and paranormal phenomena should be separated to avoid overwhelming scientists and the public with too many unexplained concepts at once 01:57:29.
  • Studying the physical, “nuts and bolts” aspect of UFOs is a valid approach, even if it’s part of a larger, more complex phenomenon 01:57:32.
  • Specialization in research is necessary, and it’s okay to focus on one aspect of a phenomenon without studying all related aspects 01:58:42.

The Science and Intent Behind UAP/UFOs 02:01:30

  • The physical science aspect of UFOs should be studied separately from paranormal or Consciousness-related aspects 02:01:49.
  • An interdisciplinary team of scientists is needed to study UFOs, with each member focusing on their area of expertise 02:05:21.
  • Throwing too many unexplained concepts at the public at once can be overwhelming and may cause people to disengage from the topic 02:07:31.

UAP Detection and Tracking Strategies 02:08:26

  • A UAP detection and tracking strategy could involve US Strategic Command as the proponent and each Geographic Command responsible for its own areas, similar to missile defense with Northcom in a Homeland defense role 02:08:33.
  • Fusing data from various sensors and tracking tools could provide valuable intelligence for the study of UAPs 02:09:10.
  • Utilizing satellites, aircraft, ground sensors, and other equipment could help collect and analyze data on UAPs 02:09:53.
  • Curated data, which has been evaluated and scrubbed, is necessary for accurate analysis 02:10:30.
  • A multisensor approach, including cell phone imagery and eyewitness accounts, could provide a better understanding of UAPs 02:12:10.

The National Intelligence Priorities Framework 02:12:24

  • A national science intelligence framework is needed to bring UAP information forward to an executive level and provide leadership with the best decisions about the phenomenon 02:12:54.
  • The framework would help to fuse together information and provide a national structure to address UAP sightings 02:12:56.
  • The stigma against UFOs is a national security threat, as adversaries can use it to their advantage by disguising their spy equipment as UFOs 02:16:08.

The Science and Intent Behind UAP/UFOs 02:16:51

  • Adversaries can use drones to gather intelligence and send it back to their countries, making it difficult to determine the intent of the drone 02:17:21.
  • The government needs to be aware that adversaries can utilize UAPs to their advantage and create confusion among the American public 02:18:15.
  • A better understanding of how to discriminate between different types of UAPs is needed to send accurate information to the right people in the government 02:18:41.
  • Adversaries can capitalize on conspiracy theories to distract from the real cause of phenomena like Havana syndrome 02:19:45.

The Broader Implications of UAP and NHI 02:20:18

  • The UAP topic is crucial as it could be the greatest discovery for humanity, and it’s essential to continue studying it 02:20:51.
  • There’s a concern that the UAP topic might be overshadowed by other global issues and distractions, making it challenging to keep it in the forefront of leaders’ attention 02:21:03.
  • Educating the public is necessary, as they are confused about the difference between drones and UAPs, and more shows, journalism, and engagement are needed to address this 02:22:11.

The Significance of UAP and NHI 02:23:31

  • The existence of non-human intelligence (NHI) would make human conflicts and squabbles seem petty and unimportant 02:23:48.
  • If even one UFO case is proven to be of extraterrestrial origin, it would be the most significant discovery in human history, surpassing the importance of wars, politics, and other global issues 02:24:27.
  • The question of whether humans are alone in the universe and the only conscious beings is a crucial one that trumps other questions about war, peace, and politics 02:25:13.

Final Thoughts and Future Directions 02:28:12

  • The host recommends an article addressing common criticisms against UAP and research papers on catastrophic disclosure and a presentation with slides 02:28:24
  • Viewers are encouraged to visit the SCU website and research tab for publications on UAP 02:29:04
  • The host emphasizes the importance of citizen disclosure and sharing knowledge about UAP to raise awareness 02:29:43
  • The host looks forward to future episodes discussing UAP science, research, and policy, and exploring the implications of human awareness of non-human intelligence 02:30:29
  • The next episode will focus on UAP transparency and advocacy within the context of the new administration 02:32:16
  • Future episodes will broaden the discussion to include topics such as national security, ontology, spirituality, and the potential for nuclear escalation 02:32:53

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