Ep. 8 UFO Disclosure under the Trump Administration

Preview 00:00

  • There are two camps regarding UFO disclosure: one that wants to keep the past hidden and start a new narrative, and another that wants full transparency, including discussions about retrievals and reverse engineering 00:38
  • The second camp believes that crashed UFOs might be gifts from non-human intelligence, containing technology or pathways to technology 00:57

Exploring UAP Science and Policy 02:03

  • The topic of UAP science and research was previously discussed, and now the focus is on policy and disclosure advocacy 02:03
  • There is a growing acknowledgment by credible authorities that a technological arms race is underway for exotic technologies 04:11
  • The true picture of non-human intelligence, their intentions, and government participation is still unknown 03:54

Introduction to Emergent with Reed Summers 01:20

  • The show “Emergent” explores the possible contact between humanity and non-human intelligence 01:20
  • The host, Reed Summers, aims to offer a logical and grounded assessment of the phenomenon and its interaction with the human family 07:01

Meet Our Guests: Lester Nare and Kevin Wright 08:19

  • Lester Nar is the director of operations of the UAP disclosure fund, an advocacy and policy organization that engages with Congress and the executive branch on UAP issues 08:21.
  • Kevin Wright has 25 plus years of experience in Washington DC in public relations, Communications, and issue advocacy, and founded Solve Advocacy, an issue advocacy and Communications consulting firm dedicated to UAP and Edge science issues 09:10.
  • Lester Nar became involved in UAP after having a mundane sighting in his early 20s and being influenced by the Wikileaks emails between Tom DeLonge and Podesta, which discussed the concept of disclosure 11:11.
  • Kevin Wright became interested in UAP after his father’s death in 2018, which led him to read about afterlife studies and discover a possible connection to UAP 13:26.

Personal Journeys and Involvement in UAP Disclosure 10:27

  • Lester Nar went public with his involvement in UAP in 2017, frustrated by the lack of media coverage and analysis, and felt he could provide work that needed to be done in the field 12:15.
  • Kevin Wright started getting involved in UAP disclosure in a professional way, using his expertise in politics and advocacy to communicate to the public and educate the press and members of Congress 14:42.

The State of UAP Disclosure 15:45

  • There are more variables at play now, creating opportunities for UAP disclosure, with a bipartisan desire to ask questions across the executive and legislative branches 16:01.
  • High-level officials are coming forward, saying there’s something going on, and wanting to know the answer 16:32.
  • The current environment is unique, with a consistent momentum building and expanding cohort of people in positions that can effectuate change 17:18.

Momentum and Obstacles 18:25

  • There is momentum, with more stories and people coming forward, and numerous testimonies given to the Senate select committee and intelligence 18:48.
  • However, there are significant hurdles ahead, with some people in Congress afraid to touch the issue due to fear of repercussions, including threats to their safety and wellbeing 19:27.
  • The gatekeepers and people involved in the program are very good at covering up and will do their best to continue the cover-up 21:25.

Convergence of Events 22:03

  • Recent events, including the mystery drone issue and Congressional hearings with whistleblower testimonies, have created a burst of interest and suppression of interest 22:32.
  • President Trump’s statements about UAP and his willingness to disclose information may be a turning point, but it’s unclear how members of Congress will respond 22:46.

Interest and Suppression 24:31

  • Some members of Congress are stirring with new interest, with staffers requesting briefings on UAP and the drone incursions 24:49.
  • However, there are also efforts to suppress interest, with some people in Congress afraid to touch the issue due to fear of repercussions 19:27.

Trump and Disclosure 25:07

  • President Trump’s unpredictable nature and willingness to challenge the status quo may make him the perfect person to disclose information about UAP 23:30.
  • However, there are also arguments that Trump’s personal interests may not align with disclosure, and that the issue may be too complex for him to tackle 25:23.

Priorities and Politics 27:29

  • The Trump administration has four main cohorts with different priorities, including the new tech billionaires, the project 2025 wing of the Republican party, the evangelicals, and the old school classic Republicans 27:31.
  • The new tech billionaires may be most disposed to being pro-disclosure, but the evangelicals may view UAP as demons or demonology, creating a battle of priorities 27:52.

The Role of Technology and Energy in Disclosure 29:21

  • The tech industry’s interest in pushing for UFO disclosure may be driven by the need for new energy sources to support the expansion of AI and crypto technologies, which could require 10 times more energy production than the US currently has 30:01.
  • The US may need to develop new clean energy sources, such as Zero Point Energy, to support the growth of these technologies 30:40.
  • The Nexus of power and UAP technologies could enable the development of emergent technologies like AI and crypto, and could be a key factor in the US’s positioning against China and other competitors in the global sphere 32:10.

Geopolitical Implications and Incentives for Disclosure 32:21

  • The US’s ability to develop and utilize UAP technologies could be a key factor in its competition with China and other nations, particularly in the development of AI 32:28.
  • The incentives for disclosure include the potential for UAP technologies to enable the development of new energy sources and emergent technologies, as well as the need to stay competitive with other nations 32:52.
  • However, the implications of disclosure are significant, and could lead to a range of ethical and geopolitical challenges, including the potential for global conflict over access to these technologies 34:00.

The JFK Assassination and UFO Connection 35:11

  • There is a speculated connection between the assassination of JFK and the UFO issue, with some believing that JFK’s assassination was related to his potential plans to reveal information about UFOs 35:42.
  • The move to declassify these records may be a way to satisfy short-term election promises, but it could also potentially reveal information about the UFO connection 36:07.

JFK Assassination and UFOs: A Theory 41:19

  • A theory suggests that JFK was assassinated because he was about to reveal the alien presence, with some citing a document from Wikileaks as potential evidence 41:34.
  • The theory proposes that the government has been covering up information about UFOs and that JFK’s assassination was a way to prevent him from revealing this information 39:56.

Declassification of JFK Files: Implications and Reactions 42:20

  • The declassification of the JFK files could create freedom of movement for individuals like Harold M, a presidential adviser who has become more open about his personal experiences with UFOs 42:27.
  • The declassification could also lead to more candid statements from individuals like Harold M, who may feel more inclined to speak about their experiences with UFOs 42:58.

Trump’s Stance on JFK and MLK Files 43:45

  • Trump partially opened the JFK files, but was asked by good people, including Mike Pompeo, not to do it due to concerns about people still living and potential National Security reasons 44:00.
  • There is also a Martin Luther King file that some people would like to see, but Trump is not sure about its contents 44:25.
  • Trump expressed interest in the topic of UFOs and UAPs, stating that he would help push the Pentagon to release more footage 46:12.

Pompeo on JFK and UFO Files 47:08

  • Pompeo mentioned seeing the UFO files during an interview about the JFK files, which seemed like an unusual switch in topic 47:10.
  • Pompeo explained that he fought to keep the JFK files secret to keep Americans safe, but noted that 99.6% of the files are now public 47:30.
  • Pompeo also stated that just because something is kept secret, it doesn’t mean it’s a dark secret, and that there are bigger problems in America 48:36.

Challenges in UAP Disclosure and Legislative Actions 48:48

  • The path forward for UAP disclosure involves both legislative and executive actions, including the creation of a select committee with a special prosecutor and whistleblower protections 49:07.
  • Executive actions could include using executive orders to institute whistleblower protection and create a role for UAP research 49:41.
  • A select committee would require a vote from the House or Senate to establish, with a resolution outlining the powers and scope of the investigation 52:50.
  • One of the significant hurdles is educating members of Congress and their staff about the reality of the UAP issue, as many are currently unaware or misinformed 55:01.

Educating Members of Congress and the Public 56:55

  • Educating members of Congress and their staff requires making the issue relevant to their specific committees and constituents 55:34.
  • Staffers and members of Congress may have different levels of understanding, and both need to be “read into” the contemporary nature of the issue 57:01.
  • The issue is often abstract for many people, and finding ways to make it concrete and relevant is essential 57:32.
  • Using emotional connections, such as the human story of veterans affected by UAP, can help ground the issue and gain support 57:53.

Congressional Briefings and Staffer Reactions 59:58

  • Briefings on UAP issues can evoke varied reactions from congressional staffers, ranging from being well-informed to being dismissive or even adversarial 01:00:21.
  • Some staffers may be motivated to push back on disclosure efforts, potentially due to being part of a gatekeeping effort 01:03:30.
  • The experience of briefing staffers can be unpredictable, with some being open to new information and others being resistant to change 01:05:22.

Perception Management and Disclosure 01:05:12

  • There is evidence of perception management around the UAP issue, with efforts to shape the narrative and influence public discussion 01:07:43.
  • Different camps have varying approaches to disclosure, with some advocating for a more open approach and others pushing for a more controlled narrative 01:09:20.
  • The lack of agreement on how to proceed with disclosure creates opportunities for co-opting and dividing the disclosure movement 01:10:34.

The Challenge of Disclosure 01:10:42

  • The end goal of disclosure is not clearly defined, with disagreements on how much information should be revealed and what the consequences of disclosure might be 01:11:49.
  • The potential revelation of criminality and cover-ups related to UAPs could have significant implications for the government and society 01:12:15.

Potential UAP Czar: Candidates and Considerations 01:14:18

  • The top candidates for a potential UAP Czar role are Lou Elizondo, David Grusch, and Carl Nell, each with their strengths and weaknesses 01:14:25
  • Lou Elizondo has experience as a senior adviser to AATIP and in the investigation of UAPs, but may lack executive experience 01:15:19
  • David Grusch is detail-oriented and has investigated UAPs, but may not mesh with the Trump administration’s style 01:15:34
  • Carl Nell has extensive executive experience, but may be a proponent of slow, controlled disclosure 01:15:46

Challenges and Risks in UAP Disclosure 01:21:03

  • There is a risk that individuals with liability or personal interests may try to circle around the administration and control the narrative 01:20:43
  • The challenge is to find a balance between bringing in people with awareness of the issue and those whose allegiances may not be aligned with the White House 01:22:00
  • The process of truth and reconciliation may be influenced by individuals trying to protect their own interests 01:22:53
  • Donald Trump Jr. is very engaged in the idea of bringing in a point person for UFOs into the White House 01:23:21

Political Dynamics and UFO Disclosure 01:24:54

  • The start of a new administration and the 119th Congress is crucial for setting priorities for the next four years, including the possibility of UFO disclosure 01:25:20.
  • There is a window of opportunity at the beginning of a new administration to insert UFO disclosure as a top priority before political inertia sets in 01:27:14.
  • Even a small executive order or declassification of related files could be a significant step forward in UFO disclosure 01:27:00.

Urgency in the First Year of Administration 01:27:22

  • The window of opportunity for major accomplishments, including UFO disclosure, is likely limited to the first year of the administration, specifically 2025 01:27:30.
  • After 2025, members of Congress will prioritize their re-election, and the president will become a lame duck, making it less likely for significant progress on UFO disclosure 01:27:45.
  • To achieve progress, executive orders and congressional action are needed in the early days of the administration, ideally within the first few months 01:28:41.

Congressional Actions and Investigations 01:29:06

  • Trump could invite Congress to investigate UAP and demand answers from his predecessors and executive branch agencies 01:29:11
  • Congressional investigations could be bipartisan, similar to the Church Committee and Pike Committee in the 1970s 01:29:41
  • Trump’s influence could be crucial in determining whether Congress investigates UAP, as the Republican party tends to follow his lead 01:31:58

The Role of Trump in UAP Disclosure 01:33:22

  • Trump’s stance on UAP could make him either a hero or a villain in the eyes of the public, and his influence could determine Congress’s actions 01:33:28
  • If Trump supports UAP disclosure, Congress may act, but if he opposes it, they may not investigate due to Republican control 01:33:41

Advancing Disclosure of UAP and NHI 01:34:19

  • The most impactful ways to advance UAP disclosure include Trump creating political cover for Congress and holding hearings with key witnesses like Jake Barber 01:34:21
  • 2025 is considered a critical year for UAP disclosure, with strong players on the field but also vulnerable points 01:34:32

The Importance of Terminology 01:37:30

  • The term “crash retrieval” may be misleading and hinder understanding of UAP, as it implies accidental crashes rather than intentional summoning and acquisition 01:37:59
  • A discussion about terminology is necessary to accurately describe the phenomenon and avoid creating mental hurdles 01:38:47

The Need for Congressional Investigation 01:40:12

  • Congress needs to investigate UAP due to potential dangers and the involvement of private industry, which may have knowledge of the craft and ways to communicate with them 01:40:14
  • The investigation should consider the possibility of a supernatural or non-state hostile actor involved in the phenomenon 01:39:52

“The Age of Disclosure” Documentary 01:41:40

  • A documentary titled “The Age of Disclosure” is set to premiere at South by Southwest, exploring the topic of non-human intelligence and unidentified anomalous phenomena 01:41:56
  • The documentary features interviews with former government officials and experts who claim that non-human intelligence exists and that UAPs (unidentified aerial phenomena) are real 01:42:29
  • One of the interviewees, a former senior official with the CIA, claims to have worked on highly classified UAP programs and seen non-human craft and beings with his own eyes 01:43:24

Government Involvement and Secrecy 01:42:57

  • The US government has been involved in a long-running secret war with other nations to collect and reverse-engineer vehicles not made by humans 01:43:14
  • China has established its own UAP task force, and the technology has the potential to give the first country to crack the code a significant advantage 01:43:37
  • The secrecy surrounding the government’s involvement in UAP research is criticized, with some arguing that it’s unacceptable to have secret parts of government that no one sees 01:44:06

The Need for Disclosure 01:44:14

  • The discovery of non-human intelligence and UAPs is considered the biggest in human history, with the potential to have beneficial impacts including clean energy 01:44:14
  • There are calls for immediate disclosure, with some arguing that the information should not be locked away and that the public has a right to know 01:44:31

Implications of Non-Human Intelligence 01:44:56

  • The conversation around UFOs is shifting towards the existence of non-human intelligence, including physical alien biological entities 01:45:19.
  • This shift is significant, as it moves the conversation beyond speculation and into a more tangible discussion 01:47:02.
  • The involvement of credible individuals and the potential for a theatrical release of information is a step function change in the language and conversation around UFOs 01:47:13.

The Life Cycle Curve 01:50:13

  • The adoption curve model suggests that there are different groups of people who adopt new ideas at different rates, including the Vanguard, the Early Majority, and the Caboose 01:50:35.
  • The goal is to bring the Caboose, or the general public, closer to the conversation and to bridge the gap between the bleeding edge and the mainstream 01:51:54.
  • This requires bringing people who are not familiar with the topic closer to the conversation and providing them with information and context 01:52:03.

Public Education and Disclosure 01:53:20

  • Having a conversation with the broad public about UFOs and non-human intelligence is crucial for moving the conversation forward 01:53:22.
  • The public is surprisingly open to the idea of alien life and the possibility of visitation, but may not need to engage with the “possibility parade” of speculative ideas 01:53:46.
  • There may be internal impedance within the UFO community to focus on the probability of physical biological alien visitors 01:54:16.

Disclosure and Clean Energy 01:56:42

  • Disclosure and transparency advocacy often involve multiple interests, including financial rewards, National Security, energy, and climate change 01:56:45
  • The US has gained power globally through the Petro dollar system, and transitioning to clean energy would require a significant shift in the global system 01:59:01
  • A sovereign wealth fund could be created to handle IP rights and distribute the wealth generated from clean energy technology equitably 02:00:18

Exploring NHI’s Influence on Human Consciousness 02:03:29

  • NHI may be conducting public diplomacy or covert societal manipulation via interaction with close observers 02:03:30
  • The influence of NHI on human consciousness is a new space that requires exploration and conversation 02:03:40

The Consciousness Connection 02:03:57

  • The Consciousness Connection has been introduced into the operational context, raising questions about how to operationalize it 02:04:01
  • Private contractors, such as Jake Barber and tier one operators, are involved in this context 02:04:06

Government vs. Private Contractors 02:04:17

  • There is conflict between the government and private contractors around the issue of NHI and clean energy 02:04:19
  • The famous slide nine leaked from Chris Mountain’s website outlines the ability of NHI to control and manipulate physical and consciousness aspects 02:04:35

The Challenge of Human Sovereignty 02:04:52

  • The existence of NHI raises questions about human sovereignty and whether humans have individual will and control 02:04:52
  • The implications of NHI on human sovereignty are significant and require exploration 02:04:57

The Implications of Abductions and Government Responsibility 02:05:08

  • The government’s inability to protect citizens from abductions raises questions about the purpose of paying taxes and the government’s role in ensuring public safety 02:05:25
  • The issue of abductions is complex and has significant implications for society, making it challenging to address 02:05:40

After Disclosure: Societal Adjustments Ensuing 02:05:51

  • After disclosure, society will need to operate with a new reality, which will be challenging, especially with a large global population 02:06:00

The Hierarchy of Beings 02:06:05

  • The existence of a hierarchy of beings, with humans being potentially lower on the hierarchy, raises questions about the nature of reality and our place in it 02:06:12

Religious Lenses and Personal Experiences 02:06:37

  • Personal experiences with non-human entities can be scary and raise concerns about the potential risks and consequences of such interactions 02:06:52

AI and the Risks of Technological Influence 02:07:32

  • The possibility of non-human entities influencing human technology and consciousness is a concern, especially given the potential risks of AI 02:07:47

Reasons for Non-Disclosure 02:08:02

  • There may be real reasons for non-disclosure, including the potential risks and consequences of revealing the truth about non-human entities 02:08:18

NHI Quid Pro Quo: Transactions and Intentions 02:08:27

  • The possibility of transactions or quid pro quo arrangements between humans and non-human entities raises concerns about the intentions and motivations of these entities 02:08:30

Human Sovereignty and Policy Frameworks 02:08:57

  • The concept of human sovereignty is crucial in the face of potential interactions with non-human entities, and policy frameworks are needed to articulate and protect human rights and interests 02:08:58

Complexities of Intent and Consciousness 02:09:42

  • The complexities of intent and consciousness in the context of non-human entities raise questions about the potential risks and consequences of interactions with these entities 02:10:02

Von Neumann Probes and Consciousness Interface 02:11:46

  • The concept of Von Neumann probes, AI probes created by an extraterrestrial species to traverse the universe and monitor planets for intelligent life, raises questions about integrating physicality with consciousness connection 02:11:52.
  • These probes could potentially interface with individual conscious beings and project information into human consciousness, making intent unknowable 02:12:51.
  • The capability to interface with human consciousness raises concerns about the legal framework around humans using this methodology against other humans 02:13:20.

Understanding Intent and Non-Mechanistic Phenomenon 02:15:46

  • Dealing with a non-mechanistic phenomenon in the form of a sentient being more intelligent than humans requires attempting to understand its intent, despite the possibility that it may be unknowable 02:15:49.
  • The intent of the sentient being may not fall into a spectrum of human interpretive models, such as hostile or beneficial, and may be undecipherable or undefinable 02:16:12.
  • Despite the challenges, it is necessary to attempt to understand the intent as it relates to human interests and values 02:16:29.

Reconnaissance of Intent for Human Response 02:16:36

  • The goal is to understand the observable behavior and patterns of non-human intelligences (NHI) to decode their intent for human interests 02:16:42.
  • This understanding can create new modalities for humans to relate to each other and the larger ecosystem 02:17:24.
  • A policy potential recommendation is for NHI to remove themselves from human physical and psychological space for a period, allowing humans to formulate their intent and rules of engagement 02:19:31.

Disclosure and Human Response 02:21:07

  • Before discussing how to move forward, people need to understand on a mass scale that NHI existence is real 02:21:35.
  • Establishing existence is the first step in the disclosure process, followed by discussing how to deal with NHI existence 02:21:45.
  • Spatial distance from NHI may be important to initiate agreements instead of grandfathering in existing deals 02:22:45.
  • The current administration has an opportunity to facilitate humanity making a deal with NHI instead of grandfathering in an existing deal 02:23:00.

Global Diplomatic Arrangements and NHI 02:23:05

  • A diplomatic arrangement is needed to address the issue of UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) globally, rather than making it an American issue 02:23:07.
  • The Trump Administration’s history of bilateral agreements and multilateral policy approaches makes it unlikely that they will lead a global conversation on UAPs 02:25:44.
  • The United Nations and NATO could be viable platforms for making a declaration or gathering together to discuss UAPs, but Trump’s administration has shown little interest in international relations 02:27:48.

International Cooperation and Disclosure 02:25:21

  • The need for bilateral UAP agreements with countries like Canada, the UK, Australia, and others is discussed, but it’s unlikely that the Trump Administration will take the lead 02:25:22.
  • The geopolitics of UAP disclosure is complicated, and it’s unclear whether it’s better for the information to come from a great power like the US or a smaller, more neutral country 02:30:01.
  • The Vatican or a consortium of religious organizations could potentially initiate a declaration or play a role in UAP disclosure, but it’s unclear whether this would be effective 02:31:11.

Path Forward 02:32:36

  • The focus is on executive orders and appealing to Trump’s personality, as he has shown little interest in international relations or conventional policy approaches 02:32:11.
  • The bottom line is that UAP disclosure needs to be a global conversation, and it’s unclear what the best path forward is, but it’s essential to keep working towards disclosure and international cooperation 02:32:48.

The Role of Public Advocacy and Political Mobilization 02:32:59

  • The Citizens for Disclosure movement aims to organize people in all 50 states to educate the public and mobilize them to compel elected officials to address the UAP issue 02:33:01.
  • The movement encourages the public to email their members of Congress and the President to demand action on UAP disclosure 02:33:37.
  • The goal is to create a viable political movement and convince Congress to pass enhanced whistleblower protection legislation and form a select committee 02:34:09.

Building a Coalition and Engaging with the Public 02:34:47

  • Engaging with people around you is crucial in building a coalition and increasing the number of people advocating for UAP disclosure 02:34:53.
  • Socializing the issue among family and friends can help break through prior biases and increase the number of people taking action 02:35:11.
  • Supporting advocacy organizations and reaching out to representatives can help create a wave of people demanding answers on UAP disclosure 02:37:36.

Citizen Disclosure and the UFO Conversation 02:41:14

  • Citizen disclosure is necessary to complement actions taken by institutions, and having the UFO conversation can lead to people having an “aha moment” and initiating their own research 02:41:27
  • Approaching the conversation in the right way, respecting people’s evidentiary requirements and tolerance levels, can help build authenticity and reality to the phenomenon 02:41:47
  • Citizen disclosure and the UFO conversation can encourage people to respond to the phenomenon in their own way 02:41:54

Final Thoughts and Upcoming Discussions 02:42:06

  • The next episode will feature a solo discussion on the speaker’s perspective on what 2025 needs to hold for UAP transparency and supporting the public’s increased awareness of non-human intelligence 02:42:46
  • The upcoming episode will cover the speaker’s thoughts on what humanity can do about non-human intelligence in the world 02:42:58
  • The next episode is scheduled to air in two weeks at 9:00 Eastern 02:43:12

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